August 07, 2005

Christ Church 禮拜

這陣子,腦子裡出現了許許多多的困惑與難題,心靈受到了不少衝擊(fish&amy,不可以亂留言),這裡沒有媽祖廟、土地公廟可以去燒香求心安,就跟P說,那我們這星期去教堂,聽聽聖經與聖歌,應該也會有安定的作用吧。

星期天的早晨,天空出奇的藍,P說這是個很好的sign。

位在山上社區的教堂,來的多數是白髮蒼蒼的老人家,一定很有恆心毅力吧,能一輩子都這麼虔誠的來教堂禮拜。插個提外話,為什麼?在台灣時,我對於去佛堂誦經的人,有不同的觀感..................

進教堂前,門口有人發給你今天禮拜的程序,裡面有聖經、聖歌,就是照著這一張來一遍。遇到了英國朋友安東尼,他是教會的執勤義工,忘記他跟我說要替教會服務幾年,就好像台灣村子裡的土地公廟,毎年會選一個「頭家」那種,義務替這間廟服務,募款啊、辦活動啊等等,教堂裡的也一樣。

我們坐定之後,跟著聽道、誦經、誦歌,其中還穿插了一個儀式「聖餐」,由牧師捏一小片土司麵包給你,口中念念有詞,再用超大銀杯給你喝一口紅酒。一來我不是基督徒,二來我對飲食有嚴重潔癖(sorry,這樣說好像很不敬),對於眾人同飲一個杯子,我實在很難接受,雖然他有用布稍微擦拭。心裡很掙扎,到底該不該去,教堂裡沒有人没去,輪到我們這排時,我也只好硬著頭皮上場,亂尷尬的。

到教堂禮拜,其實是個很好的社區活動,同個教區的人,每星期前來會面一次,相互交流、聯絡感情,不過,英國的年輕人,不再上教堂了,他們經過週末夜的狂歡,那有精神一早爬起來上教堂,教堂外的誘惑這麼多,誰願意乖乖坐下來聽聖經。上次看到一個數據,英國人已經超過50﹪不上教堂禮拜了。

在教堂裡碰到一對認識的夫妻,老婆已經懷孕28週,我壓力又來了……

已經快一星期沒有動力更新blog,只好貼張朋友傳來的老烏龜撐撐場面,沒想到,寫在一旁留言版的這個教堂禮拜,引起很多人的討論,還是把它紀錄下來,難保這個不穩定的留言版有一天又消失了。

以下就是大家的對話……

今天,在英國三年來,頭一遭去教堂做禮拜
昨晚熬夜的結果...牧師講道時...居然不小心給他"肚咕"...上帝會原諒我吧
by turtle 08/07

唔~怎麼突然會想去做禮拜
是聽英文還是中文呀~
by Stefanie 08/07

因為心靈上受到了不小的衝擊
需要找個可以心靜的地方
想說去那裡聽聽聖歌,會不會有幫助咩
當然是英文啊
by turtle 08/07

早知道跟你一起去做禮拜阿.因為我想比較一下跟台灣的流程有什麼不一樣的地方說..
by 7 point 08/07

啊!這裡什麼沒有,教堂最多,每個星期都有禮拜,別擔心啦
只是我們上星期多了一個儀式,吃麵包喝紅酒 對我來說,亂奇怪的
by turtle 08/07

吃麵包喝紅酒聽起來好像是天主教的儀式耶。唉呦,其實我不太清楚天主教和基督教之間一些細微的差別,因為我們家是「信猴」的。
by 柳兒 08/08

德朵,算你幸運
那是聖餐禮...
耶穌(好像有)說..
拿去,這是我的身體(麵包)
這是我的寶血(紅酒),
分給眾人食吧....
換句話說,你們吃了耶穌...
哈...開玩笑的,
那好像是紀念耶穌的儀式啦!
by 7 point 08/08

那德朵夫人妳有吃麵包跟喝紅酒嗎? 句我所知要受洗之後才能接受這個聖餐耶~~~ㄧ般牧師都會說沒受洗的人請傳遞給下ㄧ位,不過老實說,我也不清楚這些儀式
by alison 08/08

啊,這個大家這麼有興趣啊,早知道應該寫一篇做禮拜紀錄一下... ...最近提不起勁寫...
阿哉,就念完聖餐禮這一段聖經之後,就要大家都到教堂最前面去給牧師祝福一下,先吃一口麵包(白土司捏一小口),再喝一口紅酒...
其實,我百般不願意,還問旁邊的P,我可不可不要去.
但是整間教堂裡沒有人没去,我也只好硬著頭皮上去了...
by turtle 08/08

聖餐阿~
其實是受洗過後的基督徒守的約~也就是"新約"
當行此約時 就是在紀念耶穌為我們所受的難.....
by Theodor 08/09

謝謝提歐多先生的解惑 我們這群不是基督徒的人,在這裡瞎猜...

看來我還是來紀錄一下大家的留言
難保這個留言版有一天又不見了呀
by turtle 08/09

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aa 發表於 January 8, 2018 03:34 PM

Fish,

我也不知道大家對上教堂禮拜這件事這麼感興趣呢
這兩篇文章裡有這家教堂的照片
是一間風格清新的教堂 把舊教堂建築改建的很現代
還蠻欣賞的

http://blog.freetimegears.com.tw/mrsturtle/archives/000408.html#000408

http://blog.freetimegears.com.tw/mrsturtle/archives/000437.html#000437

ps.我沒有受洗好不好~~~
不然大家也不會一直討論沒受洗的我怎麼可以接受聖餐這件事

7 point,
有啊
可以給你沒問題
不過建議你還是自己去參與一次 印象比較深刻喔

turtle 發表於 August 10, 2005 12:08 PM

你有把流程留下來嗎?
教堂發給你的那一小本....
有的話借我阿......

7 point 發表於 August 10, 2005 08:43 AM

你看吧姐
誰叫你把格搞得這麼壯大
停機兩天就被念了ㄏㄡ
現在你可是背負著上千人的期望啊

嗯 宗教問題與政治立場一樣敏感
fish還是閉嘴...

不過很想看看這間教堂長得是圓還是扁

fish 發表於 August 10, 2005 05:04 AM

Stefanie & Kaya,
說起來好想犯了什麼戒律一樣捏
亂可怕的
唉呀
我想耶穌不會這麼小氣啦
能多"度"一個人不是他的最終目的嗎
儀式只是一種外化的形式
能求得內心真正的平和才是宗教的本意...

天主教系統???
可是那個教堂是基督教的耶...

米蘇,
謝謝你老媽的一句話
這句花真的很難很難很難...

老Ka,
P自己也頭殼摸著燒啊...
因為寫不出幾個字來
所以只好貼貼日劇充版面...

turtle 發表於 August 9, 2005 05:44 PM

(不小心按錯…發表,再補一下…)
牧師是說,希望是有受洗過或者是真正的基督徒,
才可以喝基督的血,吃他的肉啦 ^_^

kaya 發表於 August 9, 2005 05:15 PM

德朵怎麼看起來這陣子又煩心了很久啊!?
P要多耍點寶,讓德朵看開點嘛~~

不過,那水跟麵包是真的不能亂吃的哦!
我不太知道台灣的習慣是如何,
不過英國的牧師是真的這麼說的啦 :P

kaya 發表於 August 9, 2005 05:11 PM

總而言之
套一句智慧人說的話: "什麼事情都會過去的..."
希望turtle早一點找到出口喔


p.s.這個智慧人就是我老媽,在我上學期因為圖趕不出來在那裡鬼叫鬼叫的時候越洋拋過來的一句話,真是亂深奧的

米蘇 發表於 August 9, 2005 04:32 PM

提歐多說
由牧師(神父)拿聖餐給信徒的儀式是屬於天主教系統的
信徒不可以自己拿~
可是我不曉得他們有沒有規定沒受洗的人是否可以領受聖餐
但是基督教我知道是不行的~
不過大部分的台灣人是分不清兩者的差別啦~
(也是他極力在課堂解釋的...)

Stefanie 發表於 August 9, 2005 03:05 PM

冤枉啊...米蘇大人...
小女子我在這裡的日劇功力...只停留在"讓愛看得見"而已吧
我們這裡人人道行高深.熟知影星.熟知劇情.熟知日劇發展史...
重點是熟知門路...
我只是透過介紹,偶爾看一部而已啦

相信耶穌的聖餐裡意涵高深的學問
很抱歉.我這個沒有慧根的人.才會在這裡瞎說
不過
我想所有宗教最基本的意義
就是要勸人向善 讓人平靜 世界和平
但是
現在現代的宗教似乎都離這個基本較易太遙遠
不然也不會有這麼多的不義戰爭了

記得
去年去林肯的耶誕市集
順道進去林肯大教堂聽詩歌吟唱
原本就是一個自由奉獻的地方
我前後的人也沒看到有人丟香油錢
我跟著進去之後
站在門口那位教會裡的阿嬤
居然跟我說
"I don't need your smile, I need your money."
我真是傻眼了...

Taipei Kid,
很難...
就是被自己這個魔羯座個性給害慘的啦

Turtle 發表於 August 9, 2005 12:55 PM

祝你心想事成啦!!!
看看給一樣是魔羯座的人鼓勵 會不會有用?...

Taipei kid 發表於 August 9, 2005 12:28 PM

我正納悶哩
想說這回turtle跑去練日劇也練得太久一點了...

話說主耶穌預知自己將被最親近的學生(門徒)出賣的那一夜
招聚大家一起吃飯
親自將餅擘開給每一位學生 也遞葡萄酒給他們喝
如此為的是"要紀念我在這世間為世人所做的 是為了什麼"
眾學生還一頭霧水 因為不知道這即將是最後的晚餐
這就是以後幾千年基督徒領聖餐的緣由
許多著名的宗教繪畫都描述過這個場景

又回過頭來說 未受洗的人是不領聖餐的喔
並不是"不需" "不可" 也不是"不宜"領聖餐
只是因為若不清楚自己領受的是什麼 那這個儀式對他而言是毫無意義
教會禮拜當中的奉獻也是一樣的原則
所以出外參觀教堂時 可別一個勁傻傻地丟"香油錢"喔

米蘇 發表於 August 9, 2005 11:34 AM
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