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還有正確的姿勢更重要

mrs.turtle 發表於 May 17, 2007 10:54 AM

我也是跟你一樣背痛,醫生也只有開止痛藥給我吃,根本沒用!!是後來回台灣看醫生才好一點,你會不會是壓迫到坐骨神經?腳會麻..
復健的方法或許有效,最壞的方式就是吃止痛藥,只是英國的醫生止痛藥劑量很小,這是我回台灣之後才知道,你可以請家人幫你寄200mg的..

妮可 發表於 May 17, 2007 07:04 AM

OJ,
是的
很多事情
如果能平衡一下
就天下太平了
不過真實世界
似乎沒有這種好事

在這裡會發現很多事情
都有相同的道理可循哪

mrs.turtle 發表於 May 10, 2007 10:54 PM

醫療制度的差異,的確帶來完全不同的醫療環境。我還聽說過,在英國車禍被撞斷一條腿,還沒辦法立即開刀,因為那「還不會死」。

但在台灣,大家只要上「急診」,即便是小小的傷口,只要醫生沒有「很急地來看診」,就會被罵得很慘了,但事實上,這中間有很大的誤解,畢竟醫生大多時間會花在那些生命比較危及的人身上。

其實英國跟台灣,分別呈現的是醫療制度的兩個極端。在台灣,健保制度某種程度上也讓民眾養成濫用醫療資源的習慣。惡性循環之下,健保支出就永遠是補不完的坑了(當然,還有更多問題要解決,譬如什麼藥價黑洞等等的)。

OJ 發表於 May 9, 2007 02:33 AM

Awin,
這裡大概要等到有生命危險
才會馬上幫你照X光吧

我應該還沒那麼嚴重吧
還可以行走自如
多運動多運動

bwPingu,
靈光一點的醫生
這裡恐怕很難找到喔
我會特別注意的
如果還痛
我還有上次預約5/9的另一個醫生
再去看一次
然後說得誇張一點
謝謝關心~

愛丁堡卜媽,
我沒有污衊英國醫生的意思啦
只是對於這種要看病要等這麼久的道理
實在是想不通啊

鴨蜜瓜,
你真的很搞笑耶
還給他用馬克筆畫圈圈
結果也是沒有人要看吧
你們的就診經驗跟我還真的很相似啊
請阿花花多多保重
一定要多動一動

linjor,
我等一下馬上來寫封信請教囉
等我一下啊

JJ,
謝謝關心啦
護腰有在用了
我會試試你的伸展操的
ps.
旅行醫療團
我還真的沒聽過耶
太誇張了吧

mrs.turtle 發表於 May 3, 2007 11:10 PM

Eve,
躺輪胎?
吊單槓?
這兩種英國都沒有啊~

Sara,
是啊
我好像真的不該再寫了
不過就是忍不住
手很癢~~

白花花,
英國的急診室
聽很多朋友的經驗
也都是很誇張的作法
只要沒有立即有生命危險
讓你等上十幾個小時是常有的事
也就是痛死了活該
好可怕哩

焦糖,
妳很幸運哩

fish,
我買了專門對付背痛的皮拉茲DVD
先用這個看看吧

KEATSLI,
很緊張吧
再過幾天就會公布囉
一定沒問題的啦

ALex,
我的老天爺
平常付的保險費之外
看病還要繳這麼多喔
太嚇人了
窮人生病要怎麼辦啊

Ann,
嗯嗯
我有在用護腰
不過束著好難過啊
還是要忍耐哩
也已經買了一張新椅子
不過現在還在痛
坐什麼都痛

usosally,
台灣某個程度的確醫療太浪費
也很多人喜歡吃藥打針
不過
我這種以前健保"紙卡"年代
每年都是A卡只有蓋兩格"洗牙"的人
感冒如果沒有發燒也不太想去看醫生
身體狀況應該還算OK
也不敢亂吃成藥
還不至於是造成醫療浪費的人
但是對於英國這種醫療系統
還是無法苟同啊
像是牙痛
雖然不會要命
但是痛起來應該什麼事都做不成
但是醫生要你自己先吃止痛藥
然後一兩個星期再來
或者一個月後再來
這樣是不是太不人道了啊
有個朋友痛到血流不止
護士還是說沒有辦法
這樣會不會有點誇張啊

而且啊
在這裡
只要你註冊某家診所
如果遇到不好的牙醫
想要更換
"免談"
就要一直讓很不喜歡的牙醫看啊
多可怕

Amanda Lin,
似乎大家都有很多離譜的就醫經驗啊
在這裡真的要讓自己身體更強壯才行

三天就痊癒!?
太神奇了吧
這個方法我一定要試試
你也要多保重哩

mrs.turtle 發表於 May 3, 2007 10:56 PM

didi,
Chiropractic是脊椎按摩療法嗎
我也不知道英國有沒有
不過我買了PILATES的DVD
希望自己運動來復原
醫生就是要我去健身房做這個課程的(唉)

vine,
我的老天爺
"等疼一點再來"
會不會太晚了啊
要保重啊

mingyang ,
peptic ulcer消化性潰瘍?
我的老天爺啊
還好我還沒服用
醫生也沒有告知啊
謝謝提醒~~

Omosessualità,
台灣真的還不錯~

Alex,
真的是好奇怪的醫療
可能我們在台灣的醫療實在太方便也太浪費了
醫院醫生醫療藥品隨處都有
但是歐美國家這樣的作法
也的確很可議
如果很嚴重的病患
到底該找誰求救啊

你們的保險這麼貴啊
嚇人~~

ErhuDave,
你已經住了這麼多年
應該很習慣了吧
還好你身強體壯
不過聽到
刨掉一塊肉~
喔~

Stefanie,
德國我就不知道囉
不過應該也是差不了太多吧
我猜啦
是的
不好的椅子的確也是個重要原因
已經買了一把新的了
我想床也很重要
英國的床全都是軟趴趴的
睡下去整個脊椎都會彎曲那種
睡了這麼多年
應該也影響很大吧

mellissa,
快點唸完快點回家比較實際吧
請也多多保重~

Betty,
大家都有這樣的經驗啊
住在國外
真的要特別注意身體健康與平安
三個月~~真的有點扯耶

Augustlion,
應該大家都這樣
不過有錢人可以去看私人診所
很貴很貴那種

monchou,
謝謝提醒與關心
我會多注意的
如果繼續痛下去
真的也是要想辦法的
現在先運動復健吧

mrs.turtle 發表於 May 3, 2007 10:36 PM

夫人~~還好吧! 你的癥狀跟我當時腰痛背痛的幾乎一樣
除了簡單的復健動作之外
還有就是買個前面網友提過的"護腰墊"
很好買的
BOOTS或醫療用品 甚或運動用品店都有 頗有效
不然我當時腰都直不起來了哩
坐也不是 站也不是 ~~

復健的當然是做瑜珈的伸展操最有效
當時有個來念我們學校醫學院的台灣復健科醫生有敎我:
面向下趴在床上 然後用手撐起身體
大概撐著幾分鐘後再慢慢下來 連續作十多分鐘
很有效喔 剛開始會酸到不行
可是這會舒展到腰部和背部 讓肌肉放鬆 很有效喔!!!

我在幾年前的復活節時感冒咳嗽到不行
而且當時還是SARS大流行的時候 整個亞洲風聲鶴唳
我當時還緊張的去看醫生
因為英國也有幾個被傳染的病例
感覺都快把肺咳出來了 可是醫生居然要我回家喝熱開水
要不是我老媽火速幫我從台灣寄來中西葯
我肯定會很慘~~~~
難怪現在英國人流行去泰國印度看病
還有專門的旅行醫療團呢!! 畢竟英鎊在亞州很好用的~
想想都有英國人斷了手 結果開刀要排到半年後
唉~~~~真是愈哭無淚哩!!!


JJ 發表於 May 3, 2007 02:48 PM

夫人~
又是我^^
偷偷跟你說...我大學是唸物理治療系的,出來唸書之前可是幹了3年物理治療師!
需要我的幫忙儘管說,我是很樂義再來一次網路會診的:)

linjor 發表於 May 3, 2007 12:58 PM

天啊~~看這篇好像看我家阿花花描述的一樣
他也是背痛....脊椎某一節疼痛
我看他平常姿勢不良~~久了堆出病來
因為已經好幾年了~~只是最近變的更痛
以前都自己忍耐~沒去就醫
因為英國的醫療健保系統就是這樣

催他很久~終於去看醫生
預約後一個禮拜才排到
看病前一天~我還幫他用馬克筆把痛點畫一個圈圈
給醫生直接觸診用
結果醫生連摸也沒摸
就聽完他的描述~~給他開一種藥
自行去藥局買藥
回來後一查~~是治療痛風或關節痛的藥
劑量不高....醫生說有問題一個月後再來吧
然後慢慢吃...有稍微改善
但還是背痛
他每個月繳很多的健保費
結果....唉...

不過運動是有效果的
夫人也請多保重~加油啊!

鴨蜜瓜 發表於 May 2, 2007 06:16 PM

dear 夫人

我覺得在你這邊看到大家留言提供的妙方,比去看GP更有用ㄋ!^^

看到你對英國GP的描述,害我剛剛看連續劇時忍不住笑了起來,真的耶~
午間肥皂劇"doctor"裡面的醫生好像看病的時間不多,大部分都是在搞心機,談八卦..其實,還亂寫實的!哈哈~~ XD

愛丁堡卜媽 發表於 May 2, 2007 01:35 PM

夫人好一點了嗎?希望很快痊癒,如果還有不適建議再去看靈光一點的醫生。

我個人的感覺是華人對於不舒服的描述明顯沒有老美誇張,所以老美醫師有時候會低估華人的症狀,不知道老英是否也是如此?

游泳的復健效果也不錯,可以考慮看看。

bwPingu 發表於 May 2, 2007 12:45 PM

你好,
我是看到"椎間盤突出"才留言的,雖然你還不確定背痛是什麼原因,何不照X光看看,要是椎間盤突出的話,應該可以馬上看出來的,我有一個朋友一開始也是背痛,但不予理會,拖了三個月後,走路都要向左傾斜,因為已經壓迫到了右邊的神經,後來開刀才結束這種痛苦,不過背部仍微微酸痛。
不好意思,不是故意要寫的很恐怖,只是覺得這個"萬一"實在賭不得。

Awin 發表於 May 2, 2007 09:35 AM

Ms. Turtle,
您好
我曾在英國待了7年多 唸建築與室內設計
也經歷過非真正要命否則排不到急診的狀況
除非患者自費
我的表弟也曾在英國就學時 一次鼻內有息肉而導致流鼻血不止
從1天2天3天到一個禮拜鼻血不止 (天天抱著GB給的血盆)
排到了急診卻遲遲無法受到醫生注意
得到的是"你看還有那麼多比你嚴重的病患 你這還沒有生命危險" 的答案 在急診室等了四,五個小時
整個過程很折騰
最後還是自費才能夠排進醫院接受治療

我也曾經因小小蛀牙
而經三翻兩次舊診後
變成整顆牙齒要拔掉
對於英國的牙醫
也真的領教夠了
但是我們的觀念一直是有症狀一定要處理
這或許就是讓身體的自癒系統減低的原因
當然緊急狀況或像您這種導致坐立難安的狀況
不處理真的很痛苦

回到我為什麼會留言給您的原因
就是我也於幾週前曾經遭遇與您相同的狀況
只要醒著就感到疼痛
因為我也是在寫PhD論文中
長期固定姿勢導致的
西醫也是擔心椎間盤突出 也頂多給止痛藥
後來經過指點 有一個非常好的動作
早晚做幾次 竟然經過三天就痊癒了

請姑且一式吧:

平躺於地
將平常坐正時翹腿的姿勢變成躺下來做(男生的翹腿 就是把腳踝放到另一隻腳的大腿上)
如果是左腳放右腳上 雙手則環抱右腳並且努力向胸口靠
如果是反過來 則是雙手抱左腳並向胸口靠
左右交換做 約各做五次
您可於睡前和早晨下床前做
真的可以改善
原本我以姑且聽之的方式做
痛到只好死馬當活馬醫
居然三天就痊癒了
本還擔心會不會需要開刀呢

先到這裡
祝您早日康復

另外一提的是
您與老P的網站
也讓我解解思英之苦
還看見那時英國少有的好天氣

Good luck!!

Amanda Lin 發表於 May 2, 2007 03:11 AM

不是要說風涼話
不過我自己在英國的就診經驗"玫瑰糠疹"
倒是覺得醫生這種很堅定的告訴你自己會好的作法
最後真的影響了我的就醫觀念
變的對自己的身體跟免疫系統很有信心
也真的認命的讓身體有充分的休息
其實西醫的藥物本來就是侵入性的治療
我還覺得台灣醫師跟病患過度的依賴反而會對身體造成負擔
(當然很多的急症不能等同看待)
回國之後去骨科看我上背部脊髓彎掉那一截的問題
醫生也是直接告訴我沒救反正也壓迫不到其他器官跟神經
痛起來就開止痛劑跟肌肉放鬆劑而已
而且他還直接表態不相信整骨那些民間療法歪了就是歪了
夫人
買張好椅子多運動才是治本哦

usosally 發表於 May 2, 2007 02:22 AM

夫人
我提供我的小小復健方法。前陣子我也是因為運動過度激烈導至運動傷害,也是去做了復健,建議您買一個插電的熱敷墊,每天敷約十五至二十分鐘,還有一種魔鬼氈護腰(背)墊,幫助背的肌肉支撐,這樣會改善很多喔。大約要一個月之後才會慢慢復原,最重要的不要再坐不舒服的椅子了,趕快買一張符合人體工學的椅子啦。希望您早日康復^^
還是台灣的醫療比較方便~~~哎~

Ann 發表於 May 2, 2007 01:15 AM

我昨天打電話到朋友建議的治療過敏的診所(據說可以治本)
結果, 醫生說第一次去$90 (外加檢測過敏源), 然後接下來每次找他一次要$60(約要去拜訪個10-20次)=>這些保險公司是不會幾付的=>因為這樣, 我寧願繼續吃過敏藥

KEATSLI..其實美國的醫生也很可憐阿
因為他們也要繳很多錢給保險公司耶
1. 工作地點保險(還有診所的員工也要被保)
2. 診所房子的保險
3. 第三責任險 (Liability)=>如果被告, 保險公司可以幫忙解決
4. 自己的醫療保險
.........等等
不過其實在美國自己開業都要有這些保險就是了, 只是醫生的Liability真的很貴, 尤其是麻醉師, 所以變相的跟民眾收費也高
(去看醫生自費約$90-250不等...洗牙$100-150)

ALex 發表於 May 1, 2007 04:27 PM

夫人:

就病人的狀況看來,臺灣的醫療體制真是大大地便民,但就醫生的角度開來,有不少醫生則是會想往國外跑。(被健保壓榨與醫院體制不健全等問題,都是讓他們無力的地方~~)
至於我的面試情況,我想自己準備的還不是很充足,想法不夠周全。但結果要到五月八號才公布,所以~~這幾天我正在瘋狂看沒有看到的電影跟卡通。:)

KEATSLI 發表於 May 1, 2007 12:27 PM

這是哪門子的門診啊
連檢查 了解確切的疼痛位置都沒有
就直接叫人家去翻黃頁
我在這裡翻白眼哩
醫學院是教這個喔 匪夷所思~~~

姐姐
要不 我們寄太極DVD給你
你就在後院畫畫大西瓜 也強過看醫生

fish 發表於 May 1, 2007 11:03 AM

其實我還遇過沒有醫德的醫師,莫名其妙把你罵一遍,很多藥品要自費,還慫恿你要買產品,花一堆錢,有夠爛!再也不去那家了~!

焦糖 發表於 May 1, 2007 09:30 AM

那ㄟ安ㄋㄟ
英國人 都是天公囝仔嗎?
是台灣的醫生生產過剩 競爭激烈 服務品質提高 患者受惠嗎?
如此草菅人命 上議院 下議院都是在ㄉㄨˋㄍㄨ喔!
你們的英國友人如何看待此等情事?
emergency是如何解釋啊

自求多福
不要自我要求太高
不要一天po一篇啦
日頭赤炎炎 隨人顧性命
痛 可是自己在受罪喔

白花花 發表於 May 1, 2007 05:52 AM

夫人早日康復!千萬不要拖過一個月呀!
這麼苦了,還寫了一長串...真是太辛苦了!
讓尾錐多多休息唷!

Sara 發表於 May 1, 2007 04:40 AM

因我媽媽也有背痛問題
可以去躺輪胎或是吊單槓改善喔!
伸展脊椎應該會比較舒服些
祝早日康復

Eve 發表於 May 1, 2007 03:17 AM

要小心喔~
如果不管他說不定會越來越嚴重
萬一得要開刀就很糟糕了
記得不要做粗重的工作、提重物
要改變姿勢的話也要慢慢的,不要突然轉身或彎腰什麼的
然後
趕快回來台灣給醫生做個檢查吧
PS在版上流連已久,十分喜歡你的文字與照片,我在英國陸陸續續也待了一段時間,看著你的生活記錄,格外親切~也許哪天,我們還能在英國街頭上不期而遇呢~

monchou 發表於 May 1, 2007 02:39 AM

我真不懂
那些歐洲的福利與醫療制度不都是重稅制下的結果嗎
是只對外國人這樣還是連英國本國人也這樣?
英國人都不會抗議?英國不是很多貴族嗎?
還是這又是社會階級的差別待遇

唉~

Augustlion 發表於 May 1, 2007 02:04 AM

原來住國外的都有這方面的問題。
我之前有個同學腳扭傷,她本想要讓腳自行復原的。
但是過了兩天,腳踝沒消反而越腫越大,痛到她受不了,
所以她跑去掛急診,中午去,結果等到半夜12點。
10幾個小時的等待,這還算是什麼急診室。

還有我之前過敏,整個臉都腫了起來,去找皮膚科醫生,
結果櫃檯說現在沒看診,要等兩個月。◎_◎|||
所以我的臉就一直腫到回台灣。

害我現在都不敢亂生病,不然可能會很痛苦。

祝 妳能早日康復喔!

Betty 發表於 May 1, 2007 02:02 AM

看到你的情況讓我不經想起去年因為手腕的舊傷去看GP的經驗,
記得第一次去看GP也是拿了一個月的藥,但吃了並沒有比較好反而更不舒服.最後又回去學校的GP複診,醫生才說要幫我轉診到大大醫院,從轉診排隊到我真的看到醫生已經是三個多月後的事了.
結果抱著期待的心情去看病的我在大醫院等了一個多小時後看到了醫生,他竟然跟我說我的手沒什麼大問題,可以不用再來了,時間久了就會好了,連個藥都沒開復健也不用做.當場我真是啞口無言,我想我對英國這個先進國家的醫療已經不抱任何希望了.
現在除非真的病到不行不然我都還是回台灣看病.

mellissa 發表於 May 1, 2007 01:35 AM

............ 無言 ............
天呀 不要告訴我德國也是醬啊 Orz
(請問這種醫療體制不會容易發生醫療糾紛嗎?英國人該不會是身體強壯又仁慈吧?)
夫人保重!
我們公司有位同事也有同樣症狀
每天都有去運動復健 所以現在好多了~
也要換張好椅子......

Stefanie 發表於 May 1, 2007 01:28 AM

大家好
我就是德朵提到的ErhuDave
小指被銷掉一截的故事是真的
用自來水沖洗傷口的故事也是真的
如果來英國留學
千萬記得帶雙氧水及雲南白藥
有了這兩樣東西
你就有英國急診室50%的裝備了
I'm not kidding!!!!

ErhuDave 發表於 April 30, 2007 11:04 PM

補充一個美國這邊的故事好了
我在雪城唸書的時候認識一個中醫師/針灸師
她有一年手過敏了2個星期, 自己擦藥又沒效
所以預約了皮膚科, 說明了症狀之後, 因為是第一次去看那個醫生...她預約到的時間是
...............

三個月之後(這樣如果嚴重的話, 皮膚早就爛掉啦~~~)

就像我之前眼睛痛, 我醫生連看都不看, 只是打電話去藥房開藥
然後說如果下星期沒好,再開轉診單給我去給眼科醫生複診
.....幸好後來沒啥大礙...不然眼睛早就瞎掉了
(一個月老闆+我要交給保險公司的保費是$520耶=>還是最爛的)
我老闆的健康保險一個月要交給保險公司$1300(這還是因為他已經超過65歲, 有medicare補助, 不然他一個月的健康保險費用是$1800)=>聽到這個, 我連綠卡都不想辦, 想說等我有在大公司工作的經驗之後就跑回台灣去算了
難怪我有個學姊的爸媽移民到美國, 退休之後, 得了直腸癌是回台灣去度過最後的日子, 然後有朋友的爸媽雖然移民美國10多年了, 還是繼續在台灣交健保, 每年回去看醫生拿藥

ALex 發表於 April 30, 2007 06:43 PM

我有治療背痛的瑜珈DVD耶
要不要燒給你?
還是轉成MPEG檔寄給你?

ALex 發表於 April 30, 2007 06:32 PM

祝夫人早日康復,好可怕的醫療體系…

Omosessualità 發表於 April 30, 2007 05:02 PM

This medicine seems to be NSAID. Beware of GI upset even peptic ulcer. It may not be a good idea to take that a whole month. In the worse case, there would be perforated peptic ulcer or GI bleeding.

mingyang 發表於 April 30, 2007 04:32 PM

我上次乳房好像有硬块,到NHS的时候,医生摸了两下说,你这个不太严重,等再疼点的时候再来吧。
我说,我可以做个具体一点的检查吗?例如照X光什么的。医生说,我们的设备都fully booked了,检查的priority是给比较严重的乳房病患。你还是等再疼点的时候才来吧。
听了心寒。。。

vine 發表於 April 30, 2007 04:25 PM

It looks like no matter you are in US or UK, being a doctor is really a "Good" job (UK's doctors seem worse)?! I don't know if you have Chiropractic in UK. My husband had lower backpain before and he went to see the Chiropractic few times covered by insurance here in US. Also, he is doing Yoga time to time and now he is feeling much better. Maybe you want to give a try!
Take good cares!!

didi 發表於 April 30, 2007 03:51 PM
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